Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

[other_life]

i am less bothered by being called a poof in response to calling everyone 'dumber than a box of rocks' than i am people playing with shadows irt:transness. it's not about personal dislike. it's a no investigation no right to speak thing

 

[GhostofKinski]

Oh and I see this place is now about getting threatened by ex-prison guard Internet tough guys who read a Mark Fisher book and think they have a free pass to call someone a poof. In addition to the fash and TERF brigade and whatever. I didn't change shit buddy. I said what I said. If no one else pulled you up on it that's to their discredit.

It was a mistake to come back and post some thoughts in the heat of this moment, fuck this place has gone downhill. Well best of luck to most of you I guess.

Free Palestine etc

I don’t even know if that’s a real term (poof) I pulled it out of thin air because it sounded like a Limey insult. No idea what the Terf (?) brigade is either.

Yeah, you did delete it because after quoting and writing my response it was gone. After I defended myself you re-wrote it using different words & you know it!
I’m not a tough guy, I’m just with it.
Anytime/anywhere. No boast. I got a record that states it in fact.

Saoirse don Palistine

Shalom

 

[thirdform]

sad react post not laugh react post. optimism != irrational

all revolutionaries need to be optimistic, to a certain extent. This is stated in Condemnation of the Renegades to come

Let's go to the end of the chapter (and of the quotations):
«The Communists must exert every effort to direct the working-class movement and social development in general along the straightest and shortest road to the victory of Soviet power and the dictatorship of the proletariat on a world-wide scale... World revolution has been powerfully stimulated and accelerated by the horrors, vileness and abominations of the world imperialist war and the hopelessness of the situation created by it, this revolution is developing in width and depth with such rapidity, with such a wonderful wealth of changing forms, with such an edifying refutation of all doctrinairism, that there is every reason to hope for a rapid and complete recovery of the international communist movement from the infantile disorder of 'left-wing' communism.«
In the texts of 1920 «Left-wing» is always in inverted commas.
Lenin, in an outburst of optimism (all revolutionaries have the duty of being an optimist), sees the revolution coming outside Russia, and that's his only concern. When he attributes to it a complex variety of phenomena, he does not certainly mean that, to avoid doctrinairism, we may get rid of the only and unique international features given by the proletarian dictatorship and the destruction of democracy. When he perceived such a danger he did not speak of disorder, but rather of death.
Those who boast of having beaten infantilism in us, have not cured in themselves and in others the left-wing disorder. They died of the right-wing disorder, and they blasphemed Lenin; their corpse shows the violet and repugnant bubo of the opportunist plague.

"Left-wing communism, an infantile disorder" - condemnation of the renegades to come (5)

www.quinterna.org

 

[thirdform]

Yes I know all this better than anyone here. Even the dying remnants of the traditional Israeli liberal left - Peace Now etc - that backed Oslo now acknowledges that the only thing that will stop this is external pressure - ie internal change is no longer possible - but there's no realistic scenario in which that is "put down like a rabid dog". Saying shit like that is stupid and counterproductive and just hands ammunition to the hasbara massive.

people can come out with whatever guff, it's just noise. We aren't democrats (although the anti-mnarxist fisher was) and don't need to pay heed to their opinions. We are marching in a compact formation and we can ignore their petit-bourgeois adventurism. The need is always to be cold, clinical and scientific.

 

[GhostofKinski]

Idk why people think it’s okay to fuck with people from behind their computer, and then play the victim when they get it back.

I admit, for two decades, except for texting my loved ones and co-workers I’ve lived a face to face life. Prior to signing on here that is.
Maybe it’s part of the intelligentsia style to make every fucking post simultaneously serious and dripping with condescending sarcasm. But I’m learning.

 

[thirdform]

Idk why people think it’s okay to fuck with people from behind their computer, and then play the victim when they get it back.

I admit, for two decades, except for texting my loved ones and co-workers I’ve lived a face to face life. Prior to signing on here that is.
Maybe it’s part of the intelligentsia style to make every fucking post simultaneously serious and dripping with condescending sarcasm. But I’m learning.

read this when you get the chance. https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/Texts/CPTraLef/LeninOrC.htm

My comments are not at all personalistic.

 

[Clinamenic]

Maybe it’s part of the intelligentsia style to make every fucking post simultaneously serious and dripping with condescending sarcasm. But I’m learning.

That’s definitely how we do it around these parts

 

[other_life]

it's making us dumber fwiw

 

[GhostofKinski]

all revolutionaries need to be optimistic, to a certain extent. This is stated in Condemnation of the Renegades to come

"Left-wing communism, an infantile disorder" - condemnation of the renegades to come (5)

www.quinterna.org

Well Che, who was probably the most complete revolutionary I’ve ever known of,
Once said when asked what the most important ingredient to being a revolutionary was, said.(paraphrasing) : the most important ingredient for a true revolutionary is a profound sense of love.

And no, I know you’re thinking it.
I do not own a Che t-shirt or any accoutrements. I know he’s spinning in his grave at becoming a Caoitalist icon.

 

[GhostofKinski]

read this when you get the chance. https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/Texts/CPTraLef/LeninOrC.htm

My comments are not at all personalistic.

Will do. Thnx

 

[kid charlemagne]

Well Che, who was probably the most complete revolutionary I’ve ever known of,
Once said when asked what the most important ingredient to being a revolutionary was, said.(paraphrasing) : the most important ingredient for a true revolutionary is a profound sense of love.

And no, I know you’re thinking it.
I do not own a Che t-shirt or any accoutrements. I know he’s spinning in his grave at becoming a Caoitalist icon.

che is an icon who has my respect....

 

[other_life]

kid charlemagne is an icon who has my respect

 

[other_life]

che just makes me sad to think about. love is a hammer which we use to ruthlessly smash the enemy?...

 

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[Mr. Tea]

The man fucking cunts are having a pop at Iran now:

Israel targets Iran's nuclear sites and military commanders in major attack - follow live

The IDF says Iran has launched about 100 drones towards its territory and says it killed Revolutionary Guards commander Hossein Salami in overnight strikes.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[mixed_biscuits]

No surprise, they just said they're targeting Iran's nuclear program and long-range missile capability.

The CND loves these Israeli attacks.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

I'm ofc no expert but from what I've seen there is serious doubt among actual experts about whether Israel and/or the US have the capability to destroy Iran's nuclear program thru the air alone a la Osirak 81, which is why boots on the ground would have to follow which would mean America. We'll see what Trump does.

Conspiracytheory is clogging the gears of your logic: rationally, given that overwhelming Iran is quite the ask, the Israeli claim of Iran's nuclear propinquity is probably true; if Iran goes nuclear Israel's in a lot of trouble (and so might you be Mr Yankee and denizen of the Great Satan).

It maybe pre-emptive in terms of the nuclear programme but in the wider scheme of things Iran and Israel are already at war as Iran gives Hamas great wodges of money.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

They are a lunatic state. Need to be put down like a rabid dog.

How would you prefer be ethnically cleansed?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Reports that the IDF hit multiple apartment buildings in Tehran in attempted decapitation attacks on IRGC leaders. As yet unconfirmed but very believable as IDF policy since forever in Gaza and Lebanon is to kill dozens of innocent people in apartment buildings and claim "human shields", ie the targets are at home with their families and neighbors.

You forgot the start of this when you got further on into it: was the IDF aiming to topple leadership or just hit randoms because they just love the idea of retaliatory strikes as much as @GhostofKinski does?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

I don’t think (idk the full effect of Israel’s attack) but they (Iran) were exceedingly measured and conservative in their response last time Israel struck them. They flooded the sky with obsolete HE rounds and forced Israel to use iron dome which is like a billion dollar a pop ADA. While doing so they slipped some of the more modern ballistic missiles on targets that were far more of a token target saying “we can do this indefinitely. Can you?

Although I do take your point about letting them continue to commit economic suicide as well as make it more & more difficult for their (few) friends to continue to defend them as a pariah/aparthied/genocidal state.

I’m angry so I probably need to take a few deep breaths and step back. But, when thinking of nations attacked unprovoked.
Sure, there’s a lot of people who want peace by any means. Even if it means getting stomped on.
When Nazi Germany was occupying France,
I get why the French resistance was such a small percentage of the population. If you killed one German soldier, the Germans would line up a hundred people at random & blow them away.
I get & understand the desire to live in peace.
But in retrospect, whom do we honor?
The people who stood up for themselves.

Israel claim Iran almost have nuclear weapons, the same Iran who've said for decades they want to destroy Israel. Israel therefore have no choice but to attack. That's the story.