Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

[mixed_biscuits]

On anything complex and multiperspectival with uncertain facts I don't have 'an opinion' anyway. I have multiple opinions, some of which might be mutually exclusive because they are conditional on the probability of various factually uncertain things being the case or not. Because of this people ranting at me because they latch onto something or other has minimal effect because their opinions themselves are further hedged by uncertainties. But if you can ignore the uncertainties and perspectives and believe in one version of reality as if you are watching a TV show, well done that must make things easier for you.

 

[chava]

Why are you doing this? I mean, what's the end game here other than convincing all but two other people (and I haven't seen even them popping up here to back you up in this latest descent into madness) that you're a total cunt?

Hello. I am cancelled, remember?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Tell yourself that, ostrichhead. They literally don't care if mobs on their campus call for the elimination of each and every Jew.

What I'm doing here on the thread is not presenting my opinion in its fullness as much as saying things that the majority are wilfully ignoring due to bias or fervour.

There's already a thread about antisemitism. This thread, as I've said many times, is about an actual, ongoing genocide. One that you've repeatedly either denied, downplayed or sought to justify. The person here with by far the most Nazi-like ideology is you, my dear fellow.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

There's already a thread about antisemitism

So you're saying you are only against antisemitism in that one thread, perhaps. Otherwise you're not interested.

 

[Mr. Tea]

 

So you're saying you are only against antisemitism in that one thread, perhaps. Otherwise you're not interested.

I'm saying nobody is going to be swayed by you pointing and saying "Eurgh, look, bigots!" to distract from your own bigotry.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

 I'm saying nobody is going to be swayed by you pointing and saying "Eurgh, look, bigots!" to distract from your own bigotry.

If you hadn't noticed, others were only just discussing the pervasive antisemitism among people they know and Hamas has explicitly genocidal policy...I was earlier predicting that the charge of Israeli genocide would be used to justify wider antisemitic genocidal rhetoric in turn, and call me Nostradamus but that's exactly what's happened...in the highest echelons of polite society no less!

 

[Murphy]

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[Mr. Tea]

If you hadn't noticed, others were only just discussing the pervasive antisemitism among people they know and Hamas has explicitly genocidal policy...I was earlier predicting that the charge of Israeli genocide would be used to justify wider antisemitic genocidal rhetoric in turn, and call me Nostradamus but that's exactly what's happened...in the highest echelons of polite society no less!

The Israeli government routinely refers to Palestinians in terms identical to those used of Jews by the Nazis - "vermin" who need to be "exterminated", etc. etc. - while prosecuting an actual genocide - and you're fine with that. But a few US college students, who have no power, money or weapons, say horrible things about Jews, and you think a second Holocaust is five minutes round the corner.

You couldn’t make this shit up.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

But a few US college students, who have no power, money or weapons, say horrible things about Jews, and you think a second Holocaust is five minutes round the corner.

Always with the minimisation of this, aren't you? The problem is not the people who say it, it's the people who are saying it's okay to say it...the only difference between saying that something should be done and actually doing it is the wind catching their sails.

 

[Mr. Tea]

A day before Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khudair was kidnapped and burned alive allegedly by six Israeli Jewish youths, Israeli lawmaker Ayelet Shaked published on Facebook a call for genocide of the Palestinians.

It is a call for genocide because it declares that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy” and justifies its destruction, “including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.”

It is a call for genocide because it calls for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes.”

If Shaked’s post does not meet the legal definition of a call for genocide then nothing does.

Shaked is a senior figure in the Habeyit Hayehudi (Jewish Home) party that is part of Israel’s ruling coalition.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Always with the minimisation of this, aren't you? The problem is not the people who say it, it's the people who are saying it's okay to say it...the only difference between saying that something should be done and actually doing it is the wind catching their sails.

So the only difference between me saying I'm going to shoot you and me actually shooting you is that one scenario you don't get shot and in the other you do.

Thanks for clearing up this extremely subtle distinction, Dissensus's premier legal galaxy-brain.

 

[Mr. Tea]

This is why free speech absolutism is important: if you generally proscribe people from expressing so-called extreme opinions, then they are forced to express themselves using less extreme opinions but in so doing making it more likely that those who genuinely hold the less extreme opinions are assumed to actually hold the extreme opinions i.e. the 'dog whistle' charge: those who call for ceasefire are actually censored and/or self-censored Hamas supporters. This is one of the drivers to polarisation.

Oh look.

 

[Mr. Tea]

@mixed_biscuits Care to explain why you're a "free speech absolutist" in every context other than antisemitism, at which point you demand that the full authority of the state swing into action to protect you from words you consider offensive or harmful?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Exactement! Free speech means free speech. Keine Ausnahmen.

No exceptions, he says! Unless perhaps there's an exception to "no exceptions"?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Thirdform is right - you lack the self-discipline even to be a proper reactionary.

 

[thirdform]

What I'm doing here on the thread is not presenting my opinion in its fullness as much as saying things that the majority are wilfully ignoring due to bias or fervour.

opinions are woke, you shouldn't have them. your first error.

your second error after this is to then explain your error.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

It is a call for genocide because it declares that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy” and justifies its destruction, “including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.”

It is a call for genocide because it calls for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes."

Yes, that sounds like a call for genocide...so you are against calls for genocide sometimes, at least.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

@mixed_biscuits Care to explain why you're a "free speech absolutist" in every context other than antisemitism, at which point you demand that the full authority of the state swing into action to protect you from words you consider offensive or harmful?

Where have I said the state should intervene? It's about the deterioration in civility and morals, which can only be brought to light if you give people the rope with which to hang themselves. There needn't be a governmental edict to prompt Harvard to ensure some base level of civilisation on its campus; something can be 'unacceptable' without being illegal. Things that are deemed unacceptable can be disincentivised by appeals to rationality and our shared humanity.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Numerous predictably insane "shouldn't have supported Hamas then" takes in the replies to a man summoning the strength to describe in detail the killing of his extended family, including grandparents and young children

 

[Mr. Tea]

Where have I said the state should intervene? It's about the deterioration in civility and morals, which can only be brought to light if you give people the rope with which to hang themselves. There needn't be a governmental edict to prompt Harvard to ensure some base level of civilisation on its campus; something can be 'unacceptable' without being illegal. Things that are deemed unacceptable can be disincentivised by appeals to rationality and our shared humanity.

Dear God, the sheer fucking state of this assclown.