Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

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GhostofKinski

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The great lesson of history is we learn nothing from history.
After 9/11 the U.S. had the goodwill & support from most of the world.
I get the anger and bloodlust. I was one of them. I was already 32 yet so mad
Behind losing eight friends (mostly firefighters) in the span of an hour or so. I was set to re-enlist.
It didn’t take long though before the plans to invade Iraq became known to me & I realized we were going full retard and squandering our standing as well as the memory of all of those families shattered irreparably.
Israel seems to have charged headlong into the same trap through the psychotic mentality of its regime. They are determined to double down, all in, bring the world to the brink of nuclear winter. The U.S. being ruled by those who place the power of capital supreme to any moral, ethical, and humane imperatives will successfully drag us over the cliff with them.

Y’know, somewhere in the German psyche, deep down is apoplectic realization that they don’t have a monopoly on modern genocide. And somewhere, perhaps deeper in the German Id is a small but present voice echoing through the ages saying: “we told you so.”
 
Mr. Tea

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Broadly I agree, although Israel is the only country in that region with nuclear weapons, so while the 'war on Hamas'/annihilation of Gaza is horrific in its own right, it's not a nuclear flashpoint.

Things could be about to get interesting between India and Pakistan on that front, although even a nuclear exchange between those two would be 'regional', to the extent that such a thing can be.

The only real threat of worldwide nuclear war remains Russia, although as I may have said the other day, the threats that Putin was once making on a pretty regular basis seem to have stopped in the last year or so, so it could be that Xi has told him to knock it off or he'll stop trading with Russia, which would be disastrous for the war effort and the Russian economy in general, or that the realisation that decades of neglect means Russia's nuclear stockpile of warheads is now next to useless has finally filtered up to the top level.
 
Mr. Tea

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GhostofKinski said:
It didn’t take long though before the plans to invade Iraq became known to me & I realized we were going full retard and squandering our standing as well as the memory of all of those families shattered irreparably.
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What's particularly galling is that the US had ample opportunity to get rid of Saddam in 1991 after they'd kicked him out of Kuwait and left his military in tatters. There was a huge popular uprising of ordinary people who were expecting US assistance for the final push on to Baghdad, which never came, because Bush & co had decided to leave him be, humiliated but with his regime intact, as a bulwark against Iran.
 
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GhostofKinski

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What's particularly galling is that the US had ample opportunity to get rid of Saddam in 1991 after they'd kicked him out of Kuwait and left his military in tatters. There was a huge popular uprising of ordinary people who were expecting US assistance for the final push on to Baghdad, which never came, because Bush & co had decided to leave him be, humiliated but with his regime intact, as a bulwark against Iran.
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That’s really not what I meant at all.
I could argue that the region was far more stable with SH in power. But it’s not on topic of the thread and I really don’t want to pursue the hypotheticals at this point.
 
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GhostofKinski said:
That’s really not what I meant at all.
I could argue that the region was far more stable with SH in power. But it’s not on topic of the thread and I really don’t want to pursue the hypotheticals at this point.
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Sure - I went off on the tangent because you mentioned squandering goodwill, and Saddam was widely hated by his own people for a lot of good reasons, outside the Sunni Arab Ba'ath loyalists. I remember the scenes of jubilation after his government fell, people smacking the toppled statue with their shoes and all of that, before it transpired that the Americans had no idea what to do next.

As for 'stability' - sure, it was stable, for the time being. But Saddam wasn't going to be around forever, and sooner or later he was either going to peg it or get deposed/bumped off by someone - probably one of his dreadful sons, who by all accounts were every bit as cruel as he was but also much less clever.
 
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