MIA - kala

zhao

there are no accidents
oh come the fuck on all you haters.

so she's a crap rapper, so she's a style biter, so her politics are dodgy by way of first year uni; but she is still filling a void in the pop-urban area; she is still a fresh voice and sound; she is still "standing up" or atleast making songs for women and minorities everywhere; i for one am still excited when she comes out with a new record; she still stirs up controversy everywhere; and at the end of the day, she is indeed making the world a more interesting place to live in.

how many trustafarian brats out there are 1/100th as worthy of your time as she is?

it can't be easy being the ONLY south asian girl in the western music biz.

i'm all for it.

i hope she gets better at what she does. i hope she becomes more successful. and i hope she inspires more hybrid sounds like hers.

the above (quoted again because posts at bottom of pages tend to not get read) is more directed at nomad and other haters...
 

swears

preppy-kei
I think MIA is a classic case of an artist trying to control their image and what their music means to an obsessive degree, not giving anyone any leeway to interpret her, and in the process getting caught up in this vortex of getting slagged off, responding to it, getting slagged off for that, etc, etc...

I'm not saying everything should be totally open to any pomo style interpretation whatsoever, but she needs to relax a little bit and maybe consider the contradictions and let people make their own minds up a bit. What artist has a totally objective view of themselves anyway? Even MIA can't have a clear understanding of MIA.
 

Gabba Flamenco Crossover

High Sierra Skullfuck
I think MIA is a classic case of an artist trying to control their image and what their music means to an obsessive degree, not giving anyone any leeway to interpret her, and in the process getting caught up in this vortex of getting slagged off, responding to it, getting slagged off for that, etc, etc...

She definitely seems to be obsessed with her own press, to an unhealthy degree.
 

tht

akstavrh
if we forwarded this to her people do you think she would get drawn into this vortex?

lord knows dissensus needs more hopelessly utopian contrarians with limited self-insight
 

swears

preppy-kei
It was cool when Prince went on a little press strike, sometimes the more you explain, the less people "get it".
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
i was way excited by the initial mixtape, but i didn't think arular stood up to repeated listening. it was very same-y and in my experience WAAAAY overplayed. i went into the whole MIA thing a believer, and the unfortunate arch of her career (which will not be helped by her terribly unprofessional bridgeburning behavior toward ex-boyfriend diplo who DID help her make a name for herself, whether he masterminded arular or not) is not helping matters.
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
I think MIA is a classic case of an artist trying to control their image and what their music means to an obsessive degree, not giving anyone any leeway to interpret her, and in the process getting caught up in this vortex of getting slagged off, responding to it, getting slagged off for that, etc, etc...

I'm not saying everything should be totally open to any pomo style interpretation whatsoever, but she needs to relax a little bit and maybe consider the contradictions and let people make their own minds up a bit. What artist has a totally objective view of themselves anyway? Even MIA can't have a clear understanding of MIA.

i think you're exactly right. more than anything i wish a female artist who had so much promise and seemed so saavy would have known not to take that bait from the industry. now, whether it's true or not, she's acting the part of the "woman scorned" and playing into the hands of her misogynist critics (which I do believe she has) when she goes out publicly and instead of being professional and saying "it's too bad things didn't work out and diplo is unfairly credited with my work, since i had a great time making arular with him. i wish him the best, but on this new album i've really tried to move ina new direction" she talks shit about diplo and comes off as a typical person slagging off an ex.
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
Really? I never got that criticism of her. I can understand not liking of her music or her wide ranging cultural borrowing but why is she a "trustafarian"? Is it based on the fact that she went to St Martins? (Don't poor people ever get into St Martins?).

Anyway, in this interview she talks a lot about growing up skint, and says being brought up by her mother alone is a big factor in her personal motivation:

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/da/56068

It always has seemed quite likely to me that a immigrant from an ethnic minority background coming to the UK was going to grow up poor ....

Her father is considered by many to be part of a terrorist organization. I have no problem with her having been poor (which I highly doubt, her father was not poor in Sri Lanka!), I have a problem with her politics. Name dropping the fact that your dad is a "freedom fighter" but then making no clear political statements seems naive and stupid to me. Calling yourself a "refugee" when you're a St. Martins grad is pretty sketchy, too.

In the end, I suppose it's not even what MIA says that I don't like, it's what she doesn't say: so MIA, guns bombs terrorism? So what? In a world where so many people are so apathetic, it'd be more interesting to me if she had some sort of point-of-view I felt I could get behind.
 

Eric

Mr Moraigero
puerile lyrics, but some of the beats are nice

but she really has lost her snottiness as someone said upthread. it's a pity b/c that was really all she had (on record), super fun live show though (when I saw her)
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
Seems unlikely to me that she would fabricate what is the baiss of her entire public image. That'd be a hell of thing to get caught out at.

Pffffffffffff. It wouldn't be the first time someone in an entertainment industry lied ("exaggerated") to project a certain image.
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
she is still "standing up" or atleast making songs for women and minorities everywhere

This is exactly what I can't stand about her. When you reference the suffering of the third world or woman in order to lend your album some aura of "political" credibility, and add a dash of "i'm a refugee" backstory for authenticity, but then fail to take full advantage of the soapbox you've just created for yourself--fail to really takea stand against anything--I think you make a complete mockery of your own intentions and political ideals.

it can't be easy being the ONLY south asian girl in the western music biz.

I also really resent the idea MIA seems to have that just because she's female, she should be seen as some sort of representation of females everywhere, and that her music has some sort of "feminist" purpose and credibility, so that no self-respecting feminist could dare be critical of her.

Bullshit.
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
Does she remind anyone else a bit of Adam Ant? Obviously though, he had better tunes. :p

Yeah, I do like how her style in clothes represents the huge "pomo" mess that is her person cannon/set of musical influences. It's too bad she ruins it with her "politics."
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
The Clash are a pretty good referent for her, especially on Combat Rock--it's the same brand of stylized "politicism."
 

tht

akstavrh
Does she remind anyone else a bit of Adam Ant? Obviously though, he had better tunes

suddenly i was thinking of bow wow wow

i can imagine her being signed by malcolm mclaren circa 1981, sold as thirdworldist insurgent coochie, wearing a hijab and underwear combo and covered in PLO decals

she would be called IED instead though
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
suddenly i was thinking of bow wow wow

i can imagine her being signed by malcolm mclaren circa 1981, sold as thirdworldist insurgent coochie, wearing a hijab and underwear combo and covered in PLO decals

she would be called IED instead though

roffle
 

Guybrush

Dittohead
I like ‘Bird Flu’ the most; ‘Boyz’ is a close second. The Switch productions are pretty good but sound exactly like his remixes, so if you have been into those you are basically getting more of the same + dodgy rapping. (‘Bird Flu’ and ‘Boyz’ sound like Diplo productions.) I cannot understand a word of what she is saying 80% of the time ... It’s pretty energetic stuff, though. Wow, it’s the gender card and the Third World card — both in one neat soundbite. Yeah, she reeks of media-savviness. I wonder how much the relative success of Arular was down to it being one of the first albums of its kin. Now we have got all the other Diplo protégés mucking about. (Whatever happened to that M.I.A.-goes-Japanese girl, for example? The name eludes me. Well, she wasn’t very good.) The ones from Angola that Zhao lauded, and those favela-funking Brazilians with the ‘Office Girl’ (Boy?) one, and the Sinden guy, whose productions sound exactly like Switch’s. Maybe the (again, relative) success was sealed in part by many indie kids not having heard these kinds of beats before? Not in such an unintimidating setting anyway (British art-school student contra roughneck toasters). All that being said, there is no rationalising the triumph that is ‘Bucky Done Gun’. It’s a testimony to everything that was thrilling about dance music at the time of its conception.
 

Guybrush

Dittohead
Has anyone been watching those freaky car bomb videos from Iraq? That music — now that’s some spooky guerrilla shit. I guess I’m suggesting that someone should compile and release them ASAP.
 

Guybrush

Dittohead
I mean: how unsettling wouldn’t it be if they found someone to sing those (I’m sure) gruesome lyrics in English?
 
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