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don't know exacly "what" is goin on but it's so grim and dark, right? middle east eye has a longer video: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-soldiers-use-man-human-shield-occupied-west-bank-video
Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...
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What does your heart tell you?
Yeah, I've obviously no clue how real any of this stuff is, what the context is, where it's coming from, who's recording it, etc. But there's so much of it that if even a fraction's legit then it's bad enough. And it wouldn't surprise me to learn it's all true.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
It's probably true. It shouldn't be surprising that militants have day jobs, and that some of them work at one of the largest employers (maybe the largest? not sure) in Gaza. It's also a terrible reason to suspend aid. Something like a million and a half people are starving and you're going to suspend to the main organization trying to keep them alive bc a tiny % of its employees are linked to Oct 7.
Obviously it's, quite transparently, a punitive reaction to ICJ ruling, but getting rid of UNRWA is a longstanding Israeli fantasy/goal, closely tied to that other fantasy of ethnically cleansing Gaza and annexing the WB. the Israeli thinking is on crippling UNRWA is that responsibility for Palestinian refugees will be shifted to UNHCR which they see as more likely to fast-track resettlement. They also see UNRWA as tied to restitution claims by descendants of those displaced in 48 and/or 67. Basically, there is this idea that getting rid of UNRWA will magically solve Israel's Palestinian problems. It's more wishful thinking than reality but as I said, it's been an Israeli fantasy for a long time. This attack on UNRWA is slick and coordinated, i.e. the WSJ hit piece by a former IDF officer.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
In re suspending aid, I could also mention that IDF soldiers have been charged with involvement in terrorism i.e.
And I don't hear any of the Western govts pearlclutching about UNRWA talking about suspending military aid to Israel
And I don't hear any of the Western govts pearlclutching about UNRWA talking about suspending military aid to Israel
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Recognition is better than nothing but I'd wait to see what they or anyone actually means by "Palestinian state". If it's a chopped up WB mess where Israel retains full military control then it's not much of a step.
Having said that, there is an urgent need for some legally recognized Palestinian entity bc absent that I virtually guarantee the ultranationalist settlers will get their way. Like most fanatics, they care more about their achieviny goals than other Israelis - i.e. those who oppose resettlement of Gaza - do about stopping them.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
For anyone who doesn't know, the Kahanists, ultranationalists, etc just had a big conference about resettling Gaza. The usual suspects; Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, Daniella Weiss, about 1/3 of the current Likud MKs.
Settlement might happen slower under Gantz than Bibi - assuming there are elections at some point - but it will almost certainly happen
Settlement might happen slower under Gantz than Bibi - assuming there are elections at some point - but it will almost certainly happen
droid
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
While this is true, the reverse is true as well, in that some of the loudest anti-Israel voices are coming from pro-Russian "anti-imperialist" tankies.
Straight-up tribalism is unfortunately a lot more common than an actual consistent ethics of supporting victims and condemning oppressors.
droid
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I must've missed the bit where Max Blumenthal defunded UNRWA, repeated genocidal propaganda in the media, offered diplomatic and logistics support, sent a fleet of heavily armed war ships to the region and shipped billions of dollars worth of advanced weaponry to Israel.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
What the fuck are you talking about? Why would Blumenthal do that? I'm talking about attitudes to Russia, and Blumenthal is clearly 100% pro-Russian.
Please stop pretending the "anti-imperialist left" isn't packed to the rafters with Putinite bootlickers. Here's your hero Finkelstein literally defending Russia's invasion of Ukraine:
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I never said they did, you fucking twat. I am aware that Joe Biden is president of the USA and Norman Finkelstein is not, oddly enough.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
@WashYourHands still mashing the 'fire' button whenever any disagrees with me, like a rat pressing the morphine button, I see.
"MUST... SHOW... TEA... I... DON'T... LIKE... HIM!!!!1112
"MUST... SHOW... TEA... I... DON'T... LIKE... HIM!!!!1112
WashYourHands
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Such a fragile ego Mr Tea and so touchy
Grow a pair for once
Grow a pair for once
WashYourHands
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Back on topic…
droid
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Then why did you reply to this comment that was clearly referencing Western governments:
Utter destruction, funded, sponsored and supported by the same humanitarian interventionists who condemned Russia for their actions in Syria and Ukraine.
With such an idiotic and utterly fucking irrelevant response?
droid
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You know whats gonna be really funny? Watching Israeli refugees getting refused by every nation on the planet when the large scale demand for fossil fuels finally dries up and Israel is abandoned by the US whilst being ravaged by drought, heatwaves, forest fires and the myriad of other cataclysms climate change will wreak on the middle east.