Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

[luka]

Par Moi?

i think he was talking about yyyaldrin saying we should nuke tel aviv

 

[yyaldrin]

yeh i meant to say there should be a military intervention to prevent the imminent death of millions

 

[version]

Par Moi?

Nah, something yyaldrin said.

 

[0bleak]

 

[Mr. Tea]

Well who could possible have seen this coming?

Washington DC shooting: Two Israeli embassy staff killed in attack near Jewish museum

The man and woman were shot while leaving an event focused on helping Gazans at the Capital Jewish Museum.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[version]

Well who could possible have seen this coming?

Washington DC shooting: Two Israeli embassy staff killed in attack near Jewish museum

The man and woman were shot while leaving an event focused on helping Gazans at the Capital Jewish Museum.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah, grim. Another day, another horrible development.

 

[yyaldrin]

that's gonna dominate the news for days and weeks on end, everybody will be forced to answer do you condone this? all the while the killing continues.

 

[luka]

Well who could possible have seen this coming?

Washington DC shooting: Two Israeli embassy staff killed in attack near Jewish museum

The man and woman were shot while leaving an event focused on helping Gazans at the Capital Jewish Museum.

www.bbc.co.uk

I tried to tell yyyaldrin this action would be counterproductive but i couldnt get through to him

 

[Mr. Tea]

I tried to tell yyyaldrin this action would be counterproductive but i couldnt get through to him

Nah, you were just trying to steal his thunder by doing it first.

There's still the Londom embassy, I suppose?

 

[wektor]

that's gonna dominate the news for days and weeks on end, everybody will be forced to answer do you condone this? all the while the killing continues.

that's an easy one, course yes

 

[Mr. Tea]

I think I probably do, tbh. This wasn't a killing of some random Israelis for the crime of being Israeli. These were people who chose to represent their country and chose to carry on doing that for the last 18 months long after anyone with any humanity would have said "I can't stop this but I can't have any part in it either."

 

[luka]

I think I probably do, tbh. This wasn't a killing of some random Israelis for the crime of being Israeli. These were people who chose to represent their country and chose to carry on doing that for the last 18 months long after anyone with any humanity would have said "I can't stop this but I can't have any part in it either."

Did version ask a question then delete it?

 

[luka]

O everyone is answering yyyaldrins rhetorical question

 

[Mr. Tea]

O everyone is answering yyyaldrins rhetorical question

Yes, that.

 

[maxi]

when I argue with people who support Israel's bombing campaigns I have to drill down to the most basic things, like "do you think these people's lives have less value than Israeli lives?" "How can you argue one person's life has less value than another?"

they'll say stuff like "they all want to kill us, they're taught to hate us in school, they all support hamas, they're raised to hate" etc. I say: "do you think someone deserves to be killed because of their views? .... or even because they've joined an organisation? ... does that justify killing?" etc.

you have to try to appeal to basic principles like that. but then you realise some people on the other side think the same way, i.e. Israeli lives have less value, they deserve to die now because they're supporting genocide. it's OK to kill someone for their views, etc.
there's no principles it eventually just becomes tribal on both sides.

except weirdly one side isnt even part of the tribe lol they're just white british people watching from another country but anyway

someone's gonna say "yeah but the situation is completely unequal so don't draw equivalence" - missing the point tho. when there's no principles it makes arguments against Israel ineffective (killing civilians is no longer a red line), fails to get neutral people to care, and fuels a sense of justification on the Israeli side ("if the tables were turned you'd be doing this to us, so why shouldn't we do it to you")

you gotta have some principles e.g. murder is bad

 

[luka]

you gotta have some principles e.g. murder is bad

You dont have to have that principle though. Thats just an example.

 

[Mr. Tea]

someone's gonna say "yeah but the situation is completely unequal so don't draw equivalence" - missing the point tho. when there's no principles it makes arguments against Israel ineffective (killing civilians is no longer a red line), fails to get neutral people to care, and fuels a sense of justification on the Israeli side ("if the tables were turned you'd be doing this to us, so why shouldn't we do it to you")

I feel like this when yyaldrin or whoever says "Hamas did nothing wrong", because I can't understand why you wouldn't prefer to be better than mixed_biscuits instead of just being exactly as partisan and racist as he is but in the opposite direction. Deliberately killing civilians is surely either acceptable or it's not, and if you're going to say "Well that depends on the ethnicity of the aggressors and the victims" then I don't see how you can fend off a charge of racism.

 

[luka]

yyyaldrin never said that though. no one did!

 

[luka]

you were the one that just condoned the assasination! you're a dangerous radical!

 

[shakahislop]

Hamas have never done anything wrong, they're absolutely brilliant, they're on a par with goldie and kubrick to me. i am dripped out in hamas merch