Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...
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maxi
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Nakam (Hebrew: נקם, 'revenge') was a paramilitary organisation of about fifty Holocaust survivors who, after 1945, sought revenge for the murder of six million Jews during the Holocaust. Led by Abba Kovner, the group sought to kill six million Germans in a form of indiscriminate revenge, "a nation for a nation".[1] Kovner went to Mandatory Palestine in order to secure large quantities of poison for poisoning water mains to kill large numbers of Germans. His followers infiltrated the water system of Nuremberg. However, Kovner was arrested upon arrival in the British zone of occupied Germany and had to throw the poison overboard.
According to Israeli counterterrorism experts Ehud Sprinzak [he] and Idith Zertal, Nakam's worldview was similar to messianic groups or cults because of its belief that the world was so evil as to deserve large-scale catastrophe. The Nakam operatives came from "heavily brutalized communities" which, according to Sprinzak and Zertal, sometimes consider catastrophic violence.[46]
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if they pulled this off, should they be held accountable in the same way as hitler and the technologically advanced nazis? no. it's still completely depraved tho
should hamas be held accountable in the same way as the IDF? no, not in the same way. the context matters as you suggest. but once you're killing random civilians, including israeli peace activists, thai guest workers, bedouins, whoever's around (not that the ethnic makeup should make any difference), I think you're accountable for something yeah. regardless of what you've been through.
how do you think israelis ended up with the mentality they have now? generational trauma is part of it. maybe a decisive factor. does that make them any less accountable?....
also, violent retribution just creates more people on the other side with a strong self-justified desire for bloody revenge as well, so what's the result going to be...we've already seen
mixed_biscuits
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Oh you don't count it as a killing? You think it's a deepfake false flag perpetrated by Ghost's Jewish billionaire class.
mixed_biscuits
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They're literally trying to eliminate people who treat their "own side" as human sandbags.
mixed_biscuits
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Are you the only person on earth to wear Hamas military insignia?
yyaldrin
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i'm not sure if that's exactly the same thing though. i don't see the strategic point of killing 6 million germans after they had lost the war, it sounds like an act of pure revenge. obviously i am against the indiscriminate killing of innocent people but i don't believe that has actually been hamas' objective. we have learned that many of the things that have been said after october 7 have turned out to be not true (babies in ovens, etc) and apart from that, we know that at least some of the people that have been killed, have actually been killed by the idf. i do think they meant to take as much hostages as possible and i also think that they had not expected to reach that far outside of gaza and i also believe some individuals, either from hamas or other groups, went rogue, and commited indiscriminate killings and other attrocities. should those individuals be held accountable, i think so yes.
mixed_biscuits
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It's not about the oppressed people. It's about the hated Hamas oppressors, who are also loaded.
The left have had nothing to say about the Palestinian demonstrations against Hamas, because it makes things a lot more complicated.
mixed_biscuits
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You just used the same logic through your complicity argument.
mixed_biscuits
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Note that Lammy et al are complaining about the possibility of starvation, rather than the elimination of Hamas. In a few days the aid problem will be rectified along with the diplomatic issues.
GhostofKinski
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Yes. Because my governments policy is not in accordance with my, nor the majority of the (American) people’s will. Yet, they are spending billions of our dollars to aid/abet these genocidal psychopaths running Israel.
GhostofKinski
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This Israeli regime needs Hamas the way Christian fundamentalists need sin.
mixed_biscuits
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Do you expect Israel to expel all the Arabs within its borders?
mixed_biscuits
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Israel are clearing Gaza cos that's the only way they can clear it of Hamas.
GhostofKinski
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All? No. But by and large, yeah. It’s a lunatic state much like Germany & Japan were in the WW2 period. They are courting the abyss, and it might be the only remedy for them as it was for G&J, in the decades following both those countries became a model of civil society for quite a stretch. Japan is still the most civil society I’ve ever been.
mixed_biscuits
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If you can put some numbers on your prediction then we'll have a wager.
Mr. Tea
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Mate, they killed 800 civilians in that attack. You can't massacre a music festival by accident. They don't look *that* similar to an army base, do they?
mixed_biscuits
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I can pose simple questions that make your conformist brain explode.
mixed_biscuits
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shiels
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As much as it might feel gratifying for some of you to rail against him, it's not like anybody is learning anything here, it’s not like you or he is changing any minds. Nobody will be impressed with you taking him down, grow up! He might as well be a teenage boy or maybe a malfunctioning prototype twitter bot from 2015